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Students rally for post-secondary education

“Education is a fundamental right, it’s not to be bargained with or traded,” Noaman Ali, 19, of the University of Toronto said. “Its shouldn’t be made into a commodity.”

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  1. 1

    Goldi said,

    February 10, 2005 @ 10:36 am

    “Our Lives Begin to End the Day We Become Silent About Things That Matter” Martin Luther King

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    Dema said,

    February 11, 2005 @ 7:34 pm

    As Salaamu Alaikum,
    (i am just commenting on the quote itself)

    No, education is not a right. Education is a privledge that someone must take upon themselves to obtain.

    If education was a right, then that means that you can come up to every single person and demand them to teach you something.

    If education was a right then it would be free. So are these students who honestly believe that education is a right are they demanding it for free? No just lower prices.

    The problem is people are too greedy for themselves. They expect for giver to give them things but they will not give the giver things in return.

    You do not pay for your rights. So calling education a “right” and paying for it as the same time, is contradictory in itself. It is a privledge.

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    Dema said,

    February 11, 2005 @ 7:40 pm

    u know what… i commented on Goldi’s blog and I told him that I was crazy and so that meant I was on my rounds of commenting silly on people’s blogs…you were my first stop from there… but then i got to yours and I kidn of got serious.. like had to think… DUDE you totally ruined it for me. awwww

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    fahad said,

    February 12, 2005 @ 5:19 pm

    Umm, people who get an education DO give things in return, like the contributing to the progress of the nation. They are the future doctors, engineers, social workers, politicians, and scientists. Knowledge = power. Seeking knowledge is a right, that people should not be denied, if they can’t pay for it. If you can’t see that, you’re incredibly dense.

    People are “paying” for their rights, because they’re being forced to, not because they want to. What a ridiculously circular argument.

    And demanding it for free isn’t necessarily a bad idea. The Soviets did it, and it helped them become a world superpower. All of Scandinavia provides university education for FREE, in addition to Australia, Ireland, Wales, and soon to be England. The least we can do is cap it, considering we are one of the wealthiest nations on the planet.

    The Caliphs of Islam also provided for a free education for their citizens. They thought education to be a right, and so do I.

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    qudsia said,

    February 12, 2005 @ 5:53 pm

    go, fahad. even the intl’ declaration of human rights claims it to be a universal human right. btw, dema, public education is free in the US (and in many other countries)..and it’s mandatory (until a certain age), so not only is it not a priviledge, it’s a responsibilty of the individual as a member of society to partake in obtaining one, or at least of his/her guardians to ensure that he/she is able to.

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    nomes said,

    February 12, 2005 @ 6:10 pm

    little known fact: “privilege” is spelt without a ‘d’

    education can be likened to voting — it’s a right, and it’s your responsibility to avail of it

    if you don’t, you’re a loser in more ways than one (unless you’re abstaining to make a point)

    also, i’m glad that my blog is fostering intelligent discussion — so dema, please stop posting

    (just kidding)

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    S said,

    February 13, 2005 @ 6:30 am

    fahad: errr, Uni education isn’t “free” in Australia. You take out a loan from the government which is to be repayed..that aint FREE.

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    Dena said,

    February 13, 2005 @ 12:04 pm

    They are the future doctors, engineers, social workers, politicians, and scientists.

    And they all get paid right? Their contribution in this world is determined by how much people want to pay.

    And yes education from grades K-12 is free. But you state it yourself (qudsia), it’s mandatory.

    It is my understanding that rights are not obligations. They are choices that people can choose. So neither is education in America a right or a privledge, it’s a mandotory activity that all Americans must take.

    When you all become doctors, lawyers, engineers, whatever the heck you all would like to be, are you all going to teach people for free? I doubt.

    Rights are unmaterialistic things. They should not be determined by material things.

    Aren’t the things that deny people of their “born rights” evil? How could they be good?

    So if anything, if you all honestly believe that education (all of it) is a right, boycott the schools you go to that make you pay up. Becuase if you don’t you are contributing to this process of denying people their “rights”. You are just as evil.

    So Nomes, while you pro-test and say “Education is my right”, you are contributing to the “denying of rights” while you pay for it. Just as guilty as the schools who reject students because they can’t pay.

    So uhh can i get a pledge on whose not showing up for school next week or ever again until it’s free?

    I understand if you dont, people are too into things for themselves and not for everyone else.

    And neither can you say “I have no other choice”. You do, the choice is “No.”, but too many of you all would rather say “yes” and go about “contributing” to the world determined by your pay check.

    I mean, I guess you wanting to persue an education is is a right..BUT GETTING IT? hmmmmm


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    fahad said,

    February 13, 2005 @ 1:07 pm

    Uh, no. Boycotting the schools won’t do anything, because the wealthy students will still go. I’d much rather use the vote, then put myself into a never ending cycle of poverty couple with little to no chances of social mobility, thank you very much.

    Ever wonder WHY the education was made mandatory? maybe it was because it was believed to be a human right? Were all those politicians out of their minds when they listed education as a universal human right under the international declaration of human rights?

    Doctors, lawyers, and engineers don’t teach, because they’re doctors, lawyers and engineers, NOT teachers. It’s not their job to teach people. Suffice to say, teachers don’t charge their students at public institutions, but get paid through tax dollars.

    When Frederick Banting, and Charles Best invented insulin at the University of Toronto, they sold the manufacturing rights for ONE DOLLAR, so that insulin could be made available to diabetics across the world. Lots of money there, eh? Doctors without borders also don’t charge their patients, just so you know.

    When Martin Luther King CONTRIBUTED to the civil rights movement in the US, he did not get paid for it either. Neither did Gandhi, or Nelson Mandela, when they initiated their pacifist campaigns for freedom. Call me crazy, but i’ve got this sneaky suspicion that their education played a major role in their upbringing and development. (Mandela getting the Nobel Peace Prize is a moot point).

    Even if tuition fees were abolished, it wouldn’t technically be free. Tax dollars would be contributing towards a government subsidized education, and people are well within their rights to ask for it. I believe that’s what noaman was referring to when saying, “education is not a commodity” to be marketed away by private companies, who would have a monopoly on the truth in an era of deregulation. If government subsidized education in the US was a reality, many people wouldn’t even join the military, just so they could afford higher education.

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    fahad said,

    February 13, 2005 @ 1:19 pm

    My bad s, I was thinking New Zealand.

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    nomes said,

    February 13, 2005 @ 4:00 pm

    One thing to add to this is that before twenty years ago, K-12 education would have you set, working a decent job in a large company. Very few people would advance to college and university. Therefore, to give people a set of skills before they entered the workforce, K-12 education is publicly funded (you do have private alternatives if you can afford them, that’s certainly your prerogative).

    However, as time has progressed, the high school diploma is no longer competitive. You need a university education to get anywhere in life. And so, I think it’s about high time that college and university education was also entirely publicly funded.

    It’s also a bit misleading to say there isn’t enough money to support this. There is, there is more than enough money to do it. You just have to take a look at what your government is spending it on.

    To make an analogy, just because you may be forced to pay for your healthcare does not mean that healthcare is not a fundamental and absolute right.

    It just means that we, as humans, are still so primitive that we value military spending and economic pseudo-prudence over human rights.

    People with higher educations do contribute back to society, economically and more importantly, socially. They are more likely to be aware and involved members of their community, helping and aiding others in more ways than just their occupations.

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    Dema said,

    February 13, 2005 @ 7:14 pm

    What do you mean boycotting wont do anything? MLK and many CR Activist boycotted, and white folks still went to their segregated areas, and guess what? Now black folks can mix with white folks. So you saying it wont do anything because so and so will still do it is false.
    In America there are only 3 innate rights. The right to liberty, the persute of happiness, and the right to life. That

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    dema said,

    February 13, 2005 @ 7:19 pm

    OH GOSH! I never EVER EVER said that people with a higher education do not contribute anything to society. NEVER. DARN, READ!

    I said that the vast majority of them do not contribute to this world for free.

    The vast majority of doctors do not heal for free.
    The vast majority of lawyars do not represent people for free.
    The vasy majority of accountants do not contribute their counting for free.

    They dont.

    You do not honor a person who contributes to charity if the charity rights them out a check. NO.


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    nomes said,

    February 13, 2005 @ 8:17 pm

    dema: it seems you are arguing simply for the sake of arguing, and in doing this you are revealing your utter ignorance and inability to make articulate and coherent arguments

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    Dema said,

    February 13, 2005 @ 9:22 pm

    What? I’m not arguing. Just becuase someone disagrees does not mean that they arguing or that they are trying to argue.

    If anything Nomes you are the one who is showing
    your utter ignorance and inability to make articulate and coherent arguments becuase you resort to making personal attacks just becuase someone refuses submit to your opinion. Must we sink that low when we try to have a discussion?

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    nomes said,

    February 13, 2005 @ 9:34 pm

    i’m not going to dignify you with a proper response

    i’ve also decided to ban you

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    qudsia said,

    February 13, 2005 @ 11:23 pm

    ha, twice in one day. isn’t she just one hot tamale.

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    Marq said,

    February 14, 2005 @ 11:24 am

    dema: it seems you are arguing simply for the sake of arguing, and in doing this you are revealing your utter ignorance and inability to make articulate and coherent arguments

    i’m not going to dignify you with a proper response

    i’ve also decided to ban you

    This reeks of close-mindedness. By violating free-speech and repressing converse opinions, you are not being a very good advocate of fundamental rights.

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    fahad said,

    February 14, 2005 @ 1:27 pm

    You can’t feed the trolls. Plus that girl is psycho. Visit her blog sometime to find out why she really got banned.

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    S said,

    February 14, 2005 @ 8:13 pm

    urghh..you got Australia mixed up with NZ? You Americans..I mean Canadians(or whatever, same thing)have no clue.

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    nomes said,

    February 14, 2005 @ 8:58 pm

    qudsia: she’s the furthest thing from hot i’ve seen in a long time

    marq: what fahad said

    samia: no one cares about the land down over… under… whatever

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    S said,

    February 15, 2005 @ 4:29 am

    Nomes: ..the land down over… under… whatever

    Like I said “nooo clue..”
    You cant even “vaguely” place anything on the globe, be it outside your own little SUBcontinent. :)

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